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Today, tech people discovering what black voters already knew about Bernie Sanders

Never has "rejecting the career politicians" ever been a winning strategy.

Love new blood, but too many of you have to *grow up*

FWIWTwitter is presently absolutely the home of some amazing and difficult and definitely necessary discourse on the tension between

"Epstein proves that all men are potential predators"

and

"All men are predators is extremely adjacent to, if not overlapping with, what killed Emmitt Till"

It's not a "failure"

It's representative of the fact that Black folks are the most savvy group when it comes to politics and power -- for example, we generally collectively understood that "Abolish the Police" is a stupid-ass slogan that will NEVER play well enough to accomplish anything real.

Exactly. Once was very interesting and useful. I could see maybe even once every few months

A whole ass club feels like hyper-overkill

Hmmm. I do remember forcing myself to listen to Rush Limbaugh for an hour, and one part that *really struck me hard* wasn't the obvious stuff -- but the EXTREME intellectual inconsistency on *not* hot button stuff. Like "Taxes are always bad" and then 10 min later "well, of course you need taxes!"

Make it viral.

And I'm sorry you're so comfortable throwing a label like "alleged abuser" at a Black man in this country, but hey

I am. It seemed weird but not disqualifying.

ehh I wish too

but like, the guy has nuclear codes and who knows what else

Now perhaps might be a good time for the reminder of a truth always obscured:

Black People (not Black "women" -- ALL BLACK PEOPLE - ) are the practical always-voting correctly BASE of the Democratic party -- which in turn makes them the moral center of voting in America.

Right?

I'm starting to realize you can save time by just counting the number of times people use the word "I" when you ask the question

No it isn't.

If you are aware and able to vote in an election, and you can percieve *any* difference in potential harm between the two candidates...

Then not voting is a choice to NOT engage in harm reduction and thus, to cause harm.

You who do this should feel bad about yourselves.

Op may be right and *you're definitely wrong that it is impossible*

Sorry if you're weak or whatever, but folks like myself (Black, it may matter) are well used to living, existing, being in hostile spaces and keeping our heads, strategically if we think there may be value.

As a Black person familiar with also his own parents' struggles and stories politically

frankly...the entirety of this discussion is *very weird to me.*

Y'all, ATProto is pointless and it just hit me why.

It's too complicated. Ok, so then your response will be "then we can educate and hold hands and explain and gain trust"

You do THAT and *boom* you ALREADY just solved the problem with humans that you were just trying to solve with complex tech.

Facts. The related idea that I've been working with is -- we shouldn't focus on being *nice* to the opposition, which kind of implies *being mean* -- but I've been reframing that into - "they want a drill sergeant/ mean father" type. The "meanness" needs to be there regardless of like or dislike

So true, and the Masto people -- well meaning -- mostly DID NOT HELP by "overcorrecting" WAY hard.

(sadly, in my experience, **especially** the Black people)

whoo don't get me started.

Honestly, I think Masto missed its moment by not going hard *with big companies* after the eli lilly thing, but of course that's the opposite of most of the masto ethos

Um -- so I like the theory and vibes

But an *ID* is the literal opposite of anonymity.

This really doesn't make any sense.

Nice, same as as Cairo, GA?

aka

KAY-row?

Haha

Cairo, Georgia
and
Havana, Florida

near me fit this *perfectly*

Also, there's the whole "Houston everywhere except texas"

why ATProto is pointless:

It would be orders of magnitude easier to build a (or better yet multiple) non-profit wikipedia-style "twitter" that just relied on non-tech trust, than it is to engineer a new protocol to do something that has NEVER REMOTELY been done well-- aka, "take it with you"

I agree, but like -- *layers*

It just feels smarter to build on the definitely functional mediocrity that is Mastodon (which you could build healthy centralization on top of) than to go hard on "you can take it with you," which has literally never been done well and is already showing flaws.

I was thinking of it in the Schneier sense, but I suppose what I really mean is "fails in a more antifragile fashion."

Feels like Mastodon's numerous smaller failures are way more manageable than ATProto's bigger ones.

I guess its this: I **love** ATProto's theory. "Take your stuff with you" is such a cool idea.

But, like, I'm a huge geek pushing 50 -- and I'll self host everything EXCEPT EMAIL because ITS TOO HARD.

But now ATProto's gonna come along and fix this and make it easy? So doubtful. Good luck.

Don't get me wrong, I *want* all of you to be correct in theory about "everyone and their own repo"

But I *just dont see it happening* -- I mean, that's prohibitively difficult for even the nerdiest of nerds WITH EMAIL. That's why I -- wait for it -- pay a trusted provider.

Spoken like someone who doesn't remember the early days of email. :)

Yes, server hopping sucks. But my bet is that the small failures that require server hopping are smarter than atproto trying to fix everything once and for all, while still showing the same problems?

All of this proves to me the ultimate point that just kind of hit me:

Mastodon is better because it "fails elegantly"

All of these little small failures are good little human learning instances that will improve things.

atproto will just likely FAIL HARD

Again , the concept of ATProto has picked the wrong battle. "Every provider will eventually suck so lets introduce this VERY complex thing that no one has ever remotely done before" seems less smart than "How are providers incentivized to suck less" -- when the latter has happened, incrementally.