Guanyin

Kirk
Kirka
Kirna
Irna
Iran

Coincidence?

I promised myself i would not take you seriously anymore, but you say such stupid shit that it's very hard for me to not ask more questions of your world view, fascinating truely.

But enough with this. Tell me why you mustn't be bombed, do you not want freedom america style?

Also, 1953? You keep ignoring the historical period in discussion. America's actions cannot be justified with future events, that's not jow causality works🤣.

You need to be saved from trump no? With bombs and foreign occupation. That's how freedom is won for the population. You believe so.

Not everyone that benefits from a system are elites.
Do you feel the conditions for cubans were better under batista?🤣 because nobody argues that, and yet people still left. How do you explain it?

And read, educate yourself on the issues, capitalism, imperialism etc

Local organizing, build a left wing coalition, call out collaborators (ICE, military etc and democratic party spoilers), threaten to organize around a third party, most of all do not declare you'll vote for any democrat before extracting concessions out of them.
Lots you can do outside of elections

You will not win in a race to the bottom. Harm reduction means slowing the descent, true, but at some point, you're gonna have to do something about it. The success of Trump is a result of that failure.

You cannot expect to do the same thing over and over again and for things to magically be better. Let's face it, establishment democrats do not have a plan to improve your life, nor to stop destroying that of people overseas, because they have no incentive to, quite the opposite.

If your strategy of harm reduction has gotten you progressively worse compromises, which created the frustration that led to the rise of fascism (the elite scapegoat an enemy within for the problems they themselves caused).
Then, harm reduction is not a good strategy.

Affordability has gotten worse and worse, climate change plans that they pass are not nearly enough, they support genocides and wars overseas, they declare their warmongering openly during elections these days. And no, they wont give you free healthcare.

I do understand harm reduction. But politics does not just happen at elections.
If you declare your loyalty to the democrats no matter what because they're not as bad as the republicans, what incentive do they have to not sell out further?

Well... yeah. Why do you think that is?

I wish you luck and hope you get the freedom you yearn for, to be saved from the despot ruling your country right now via 20% of the population dying from biological weapons and various types of bombs.
Personally, getting my loved ones exploded is not for me, but to each their own.

You're gonna shift the goalpoast again, not address any of my points and maybe cherrypick something else. I'm not gonna waste any more of my time and I'm just gonna make fun of you from now on, you are ignorant and you do not care to listen.

(migration was banned on either side, not like anyone could just walk past the parallel), and the contacts and literacy necessary to even understand what was going on politically in all of Korea.

So no, that's actually exactly what you would expect from all the other facts I've already given you.

Examples of such migration are like nazis escaping through ratlines, or batista supporters. In neither case is that migration a sign of rising brutality.
Unlike the peasents in the south, the beneficiaries of the old system in the north actually had the economic means to move

Whenever a structure of power is overturned, you can expect those at the top will leave, just in general, but especially if they have somewhere to go where the structure they benefitted from is preserved.
Rheed maintained the colonial structure in the south. The north overturned it.

Well, it seems like you're saying that's the ONLY fact that matter, and you ignored everything else i said. Which is different from saying "facts matter" plural.

Taking the facts together can lead you to a conclusion. Which, you have no real interest in, clearly.

That's why i'm saying, the problem is larger than Trump and the republican party.
The problem is america's power structure allows for brutal wars for profit of the elite. Destabilizing regions until it the destruction comes back to bite.
It's not in humanity's interest, not yours either.

Many democrats are fully in support of what Trump is doing in Iran, and they're voting against a bill meant to recenter the need to get congressional approval for war.

Besides all this, congressional approval and due process does not make an immoral war a moral one...

What do you mean he didn't start it? He absolutely did.
Also, Obama did not get congressional approval for Lybia. Look it up...
In fact, you got democrats in congress voting against the war powers resolution these days justifying it by saying "well obama didn't get congress approval lybia".

You're not against imperialist wars in principle, you're only interested in party politics.
That's why the claim that only republicans engage in those wars makes sense to you. Any time a democrat does it, you either justify it or outright memory-hole it to protect your ego as a proud liberal.

Reading this back i actually understand what went wrong.
You believe Obama is good by definition. So when I pointed out the historical fact that Obama did something similar to Trump, you thought I said it to defend Trump rather than condemn both actions.

"North korea bad because bad, south korea good because good" is a dogmatic approch to politics whether you're right or not, and it does not lead to any further understanding.

It had it's issues for sure, even at the time. But compared to Syngmann Rhee it's not even close.
You don't know the history of south korea, you do not care about koreans.
Your view on events is pure idealism, and that is why you'll always be confused by verifiable historical facts past and present.

Who?

They did not refuse to hand him over moron, it's the third time i told you, google it. "We do not negotiate with terrorists" is the famous phrase.
Many other nation governments in the region financed and supported Bin Laden. Can you guess why they didn't get bombed to all hell?

Because you can't keep slaughtering innocent people in a region for decades and not expect it to bite you in the ass.
America led by example, a very bad example, clearly. (9/11 was bad)

The US occupying government was so malfunctional and corrupt that it even surpassed the taliban in unpopularity. Which as you know, are not very good guys.