the laws of a society and crimes committed within a society have no bearing on whether or not every single person within it deserves to be the victims of genocide. id like to see you say this about the many thousands of innocent palestinian children who have died as a result of israel’s genocide
actually they had the entirety of palestine. the whole area was palestinian land, sure it was ruled over by the ottomans and then the brits, but it was israelis who began forcing them out of their homes. all “israeli” land is palestinian land
i dont think you know what the word “collectively” means
regardless, i’m not going to entertain this flat out racism any longer. cya
forcing people out of their own land is ethnic cleansing, not “peace”. palestinians have every right to fight to stay in their own homes
the person you are replying to collectively groups arabs under “people who throw queers off of rooftops”. do not expect a nuanced conversation with them
dunno why but it feels weird to adjust to bluesky after moving from twitter. its essentially the same app and yet i don’t have the same instincts when it comes to using it
its also irrelevant, i was talking about the party which is currently not in government
twisting the semantics of “the people” to include those who rule over the people doesnt actually benefit anybody in this conversation
i don’t quite care? i’m not going to suddenly not give a shit about genocide because of the potential that some of the victims may dislike me
you’re also misinterpreting the poll. it doesn’t say 2/3rds of dem voters support israel/dont care about palestine. it says 1/3rd of people who previously voted biden but didnt vote harris cited palestine as the reason. it is 1/3rd of potential but lost voters, not 1/3rd of people who did vote dem
i voted for harris actually. i’m a queer minority and have been adversely affected by trump’s executive orders. however, i still empathise more with those voters who stood their ground on palestine than the party who had the easy job of appeasing these voters
the party is responsible for convincing people to vote for it. they failed to address voters’ concerns. they lost votes.
hello?
voter-blaming liberals seem to be capable of immediately flip-flopping between “barely any of the voter base cared about gaza” and “those who didn’t vote because of gaza are responsible for the election loss”
curious, they gladly contradict themselves to prevent the party from taking accountanility
i just showed you evidence that they lost 1/3 of their original voters over specifically palestine, yes they ignore other issues too, but palestine was clearly the dealbreaker for many. i dont see the benefit in you trying to deny it without evidence
all the dems had to do was stop backing israel
again, why do you choose to blame the voter and not the party? the party could easily rectify this problem and i struggle to empathise with their refusal to do so. i do however empathise a lot with those who didnt want the dems to believe they can get away with participating in ongoing genocide
the party lost a third of its potential voters because it refused to change its stance to appease those it claims to represent. the fault is not on the voter, the fault is on the party for thinking they can get away with ignoring their base
according to a very recent imeu and yougov poll, almost a third of people who previously voted biden refused to vote for kamala specifically because the party hadn’t changed its stance on palestine
www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection...
people abandoned the democrats because the party didn’t alter its stance on gaza, the responsibility is on the party for not meeting voters’ demands. blaming anybody else is naive at best
maybe direct your anger at the party currently engaged in destroying the country instead of random voters you actual moron
Poll shows Harris lost part of her base because of her genocide support.
She would have had a shot at winning if she excited her base.
Strategically and morally, she made the wrong decision.
and since the party did infact not address this issue, if those potential voters were to vote for them anyway it would only tell the democrats that they can get away with ignoring their base
i did vote for kamala, but its piss easy to empathise with those who refused to do so on account of gaza
actually it isnt delusional, a large number of potential voters actively telling the party they will not vote unless the party’s stance on Z in most countries is a good way to pressure your party into changing
i didnt choose them, and if youd actually read the tweets on my profile that you keep responding to, youd see that i think single issue voting is terrible
i still dont think blaming the voters rather than the genocide apologists is a good path!
im bigoted? lmfao ok buddy
lmfaooo grow up and face reality for a few minutes instead of indulging your absurd delusion
actually i can, as can most people with a half functioning brain and any semblence of an education. leftists have been discussing and protesting the genocide there for actual decades, it just only took off so hugely recently thanks to a faster flow of information to the youth
ah yes im sure blaming people who refuse to vote unless the party changed its stance on genocide is a better idea than blaming the party that refused to change its stance on genocide
Alas it is time for me Molly Shah, a communist who voted in Kentucky to bear full responsibility for the failures of the Democratic Party. I am very powerful and was able to lose them election by… checks notes… pointing out the ways they were losing the election and asking them to course correct
hilarious tweet hmu when u wake up
putting kamala on there is genuinely an insult to the rest of them. what did she do that changed the world? she stayed silent about her government’s participation in genocide, barely even tried to appeal to more left-leaning voters, and failed miserably at keeping a fascist out of the white house
>The Gazans are paying the price, not us
are you genuinely stupid? workplace discrimination protection is gone, trans rights are gone, gay rights are going, reproductive rights are going, the cost of life-saving medication is flying, and you have the nerve to accuse people of not being affected?
