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We're talking about Senator Sandlespan here. That ain't going to happen

If circumstances permit

Those trainees are there to become trainers

Just a quick example. Over 60% of the Australian public believe mining companies don't pay their fair share and have done so for 30 years that I know of.

What those companies want you to do is to continue to complain about it instead of devising how. They bait you into it - just like tobacco did.

What do we want? "Stuff"!

When do we want it? <whenevs>

Most people already know what they want. When they get it depends on the "How"?

Be a "How?" person.

It's the only part of politics that ever changes anything. The rest is flag waving, and your opponents want you stuck waving flags.

if you think the Australians on the sub committed a crime you are wrong, if you think they were involved in a crime you are correct. These are not the same things. The question is should our forces be put in a position where they are likely to be involved in crimes?

Wait. They are releasing Epstein files to distract Americans from the war in Iran now?

Anyways - force posture agreement reform.

That can be done with public pressure.

Having fantasies about sending 3 submariners and an Australian government to the Hague makes you all sound like lunatics.

Yes! Correct approach!

Reform the force posture agreement!

Point of order! Not just against Muslims. Against anyone.

You can investigate it all you want, and the outcome will be the same.

As long as they had the information to know that those orders were illegal - it's why 5 million people weren't prosecuted. The standard test outside of obvious murder and abuse is what you can see. What can a submariner see who isn't in the chain of command?

Yeah, they were. In the exact way you mean it, and also the exact opposite way to that at the same time.

As long as they were situated in some position within the command structure, or otherwise were availed of enough information about what they were participating in (totality of circumstances stuff) then sure. Were they? Not on a Virginia class submarine as a secondment.

I'm saying that the criming is the responsibility of the crimers

This isn't a high road/low road politics thing - this is are you just another part of the problem thing buy exploiting the very ignorance you complain about when your opponents do it. And if that's all you're left with, they'll beat you on exploiting it every time.

For those huffing farts over the Australians on US submarines thing - I'm frowning at you for using bullshit as politics - are the Australians working for US Treasury agencies on secondment responsible for the US deficit? What about those working in US Health responsible for measles enthusiasm?

That's not the way any of it worked though- which is a bit of a problem

I help one of their 'congregations' (for lack of a better term) with some of their community development work. Ethical backbones of titanium

That's the point - most of them aren't there to serve our future subs, they are there to learn and become the training infrastructure for those who will.

IKR! If I suddenly got a dollop of Jesus Juice, I'd probably end up as a Quaker.

THe US audience that bulks out Sky's youtube numbers would probably see Santamaria as a woke heathen

If you're going after the Quakers, you probably need to take a good, long, hard look at yourself in the mirror.

Because it's almost guaranteed that you are the problem here.

Country AND Western again

Professional guy says honest things in Committee. The now Democrat candidate does interview. It won't even make the news cycle on page 19 - but it's the "ULTIMATE WARNING".

Nah.

Indonesia shouldn't have accepted the invitation in the first place. I understand why they did, but they were on a hiding to nothing.

It's not a world war. Calm your farm

Lol

Along with the entire AUKUS Pillar 2, which is arguably a magnitude of order more important. But you know, Australian DiScOuRsE

Australia is one of a handful of countries that can pretty much do whatever it wants to do. It's a pity we don't apply that to more constructive areas, but if we really want nuclear submarines, we'll get them